and so that credit goes to president obama, biggest winner of 2012, for me. >> i am going to go with the home team, and say msnbc, because we kicked the other network's butt. >> she gets the ipad. >> well you previewed mine, i was going to say silver, i think math was a huge number. he looked at the numbers, the polls properly. he understood better the way to do it. the demographics just differently this year. and the people who understood that if 28% was going to be the minority, and if president obama could pull that, he was going to win. nate silver is a big winner, his detractors look pretty silly right now. >> i want to say, he put you on blast for calling you out and saying corny. government intervention was the biggest winner, barack obama came into office after elite failure, fundamental distrust of what our government can do. if you boil it down, he outlined a series of markets, the health care market, the insurance market, the car market, with regulation and stimulus. and each one of those things has worked. he won over the public, because they were skeptical. you said he w